Again, thank you.
My problem with what you are saying is that I do not understand on what you base your statement that you are a christian. Consequently I find I don't follow the reasoning that underlies your arguments.
From various readings you appear to believe that the Trinity is not as traditionally understood, i.e. not definitively 3 separate persons in one.
That the bible is not the authorative word of God, but can be open to various interpretations.
The atonement is also subject to possible varieties in interpretation.
So, could you let me know what your faith is based on and then hopefully I can see how it underlies your reasoning.
At the moment you seem more to be attacking traditional christianity rather than proclaiming it
You are very traditionalist and biblical!
Simon, You quote the Apostles Creed as your basis of faith but then add caveats. It appears to me that you are seeking proofs regarding God from sources which cannot give them;
by that I mean - you acknowledge God as the creator but then expect that creation (man) to somehow explain God. This cannot be as man cannot fully comprehend Him or understand him in this life.
Sadly I note that you do not include a personal faith and relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ in your explanation. To me, that is what makes one a christian, when He enters our life and forgives us for our sin.
Iread an article in a magazine over the weekend. The gentleman expresses the view I hold better than I could, maybe ou would like to read it at
I get rather fed up with comments like that Andy. As Simon said may of us who accept evolution have personal relationships with Christ.
However what you read in creation.com is that we are churchians and compromisers which is offensive and a false accusation
BTW what is wrong with this forum. I keep getting mnessages that there is a curvyobject error making lreading posts slow. Further as I type the letters do not appear on screen but appear very slowly one by one . I have waited 2 mins 50 secs for all the type to appear for these three lines.I will not post again until it is altered
I didn't realise I had categorised you Simon!!
My intention is not to cause offence but to point out that, I assume unintentionally, the emphases you (plural) have, appear to prioritise science before God. As I said previously that which was created cannot make understandable that which created us as he is way beyond our comprehension
Ultimately God will judge us all, so I do not wish to do that, but I do think I have the right to disagree and to express why I do so.
Re creation.com - they take a position which you can disagree with as is your prerogative PROVIDED you can show their arguments are wrong.
How did life begin?
How does new genetic information appear?
I've never heard a convincing argument or seen proof for either from evolution.
Creation.com aka CMI makes it very clear that they believe the earth is only 6000 years old and all geology is wrong.
Having read many of their articles I have found them consistently wrong.
Also do you agree with their nastiness to people like Simon and me calling us compromisers and churchians?Also they have said I am a secular humanist!
"How did new life begin" - this isn't a question about evolution.
But every evolutionist I've read includes life coming into being as being part of the evolutionary process!
I did look it up, part of the reproductive process.
Still does not explain how life began and nor does it explain how the alleged single cell 'life' that started managed to become two and more cells or develop a reproductive process.
Nor does it explain how a flower became an animal.
So, how did life begin? How did it go from 1 to 2 cells
You think they are consistently wrong because you believe differently to them and presumably you have examined the evidence they present and reject it as being true. That is your prerogative.
For myself, yes I do believe that the views you express are compromising of biblical teaching.
As I said in my last post we all have to face God and explain ourselves, so while I strongly disagree with your views I respect your right to have them, and leave God to deal with you as He will - as He also will deal with me as He will.
As I don't understand the word 'churchian' I pass on that.
A bit patronising of you. I actually do not know the word churchian so cannot comment on it's usage.
Thank you, very revealing answers
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The earliest evidence for life on Earthcomes from fossilized mats of cyanobacteria
OK, so I got it the wrong way round, how did plants come from animals, as we all came from the same source - allegedly
Not only patronising but arrogant I'm afraid. Not one of the virtues I'm aware of.
The truly revealing thing is that you both fail to answer in any way my statements of faith or identify with them. If anything you demonstrate that your trust is in your own intellectual abilities to find the 'right' answers and adjust God and His word to suit. I find that very sad in any person who describes themselves as a christian.
God bless and farewell
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