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2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD, and on his law he meditates day and night.
8 Do not let this Book of the Law depart from your mouth; meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do everything written in it. Then you will be prosperous and successful
So it really needs to be studied. It is not just a superficial look at it.
None of us are saying that we should not study the bible. A christian must and we do.
However we should seek for what the Bible DOES say and not what it does not. It does not tell us about science and that has been known for millenia
"None of us are saying that we should not study the bible. A christian must and we do.
However we should seek for what the Bible DOES say and not what it does not. It does not tell us about science and that has been known for millenia"
I am not singling anyone out saying they don't study the bible enough. What I really mean to say is that the bible says more about science then many realize. And what it says, is correct even under heavy scrutiny of the scientists today. Though the bible was written thousands of years ago, it is up to todays understanding of the science. and actually is beyond many scientists today. Many think 'evolution' for example is something real. But in reality, there are no facts that support that. The bible says there are 'kinds' of life. The scientists use species. That was written down thousands of years ago. There are no transitional animals found in the fossil record. You would not expect to find any in creation. So fossils support creation. We use the term mankind, showing that there are no almost humans and no ex-humans.
The facts all of us know about is that:
1 life comes from life
2 a human comes from humans
3 there is design in life.
The bible supports all 3 of these facts.
The mainstream scientists go against all 3 facts.
So here again the bible supports the science. Its just that you have to watch out for the scientists.
Thanks Gavin, it's nice to hear someoneelse's explanation of the same idea!
MrD - two things you wrote struck me asinteresting:
But to have a real faith, you have to have a confidence in thebible based on accuracy,and truthfulness in the writings.
I think this sentence might represent thecentre of our disagreement. I have confidence in the bible being both accurate& true when it comes to theological matters. When it comes to science thereare certainly bits of text that correspond with the natural world, but sincethe purpose of the bible is not to be a textbook I am not troubled by the hugeamount in the bible that does not correspond to the natural world. You, on theother hand, seem to be saying that you need total correspondence for "realfaith". I think this is an enormous error, and indeed if it were the caseI would have quit being a Christian many years ago.
If science did contradict creation, youwould have to wonder how God got it wrong. That would diminish what the biblesaid. Also there are ones that need those proofs to be there. Other wise , itcould be a blind faith.
Again, like you, I do not think science cancontradict Christian theology. However the fact is that there is so much in thebible that (if taken literally) contradicts what we know about science. If wewere to follow the reasoning you seem to be arguing for we couldn't help butconclude that the bible is a very poor text (this is the line of reasoningDawkins and the gnu atheists take). Indeed anyone who's faith is based on such"proofs" holds a faith based on idolatry. Faith cannot be about beingwowed by miracles or prophecies (which is essentially what any biblical textcorresponding with science discovered millennia later would be). Faith is trustin Jesus for our salvation, a concept that is entirely outside scientificunderstanding. To quote a rather well known scientist - "Scripture teachesus how to go to heaven, not how the heavens go".
4 But you, Daniel, close up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge.
9 He replied, Go your way, Daniel, because the words are closed up and sealed until the time of the end.
10 Many will be purified, made spotless and refined, but the wicked will continue to be wicked. None of the wicked will understand, but those who are wise will understand.
19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities— his eternal power and divine nature— have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
This means by the creation itself it is plain to men that God is the creator. It even says there is no excuse.
So like I said you have to look out for, some scientists. Because they should know, after all they are studying, the science and and should see the creation.
5 Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth
New King James Version (NKJV)
9 For evildoers shall be cut off; But those who wait on the LORD, They shall inherit the earth.
Do you see where the bible says man will inherit the earth.
That is the future of mankind. That is what he was created for, was the earth.
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