Creation http://www.cis.org.uk/forum/categories/creation/feed.rss Thu, 17 May 12 01:57:34 +0100 Creation en-CA Stephen Meyer - 17th Nov http://www.cis.org.uk/forum/discussion/20/stephen-meyer-17th-nov Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:24:08 +0000 Simon 20@/forum/discussions
Meyer's lecture was truly awful. I was sat next to a pro vice chancellor of a Russell group university (I'm not supposed to divulge who else was at the event) who left pretty much as soon as the lecture was over saying he didn't have time for this drivel. To be fair I was expecting something much better from so senior an ID person and was disappointed. He started with a brief overview of natural selection followed by a more detailed (but stumbly) description of the cellular transcription/translation machinery. He then showed all the usual calculations of why a functional protein sequence can't have evolved by chance, followed by a really confused attempt to explain how the information content cannot have evolved by necessity (ie physical laws). This was the worst bit of his lecture by a long way - something about bonds between base-pairs in DNA not being able to self assemble. He really did not spend enough time explaining his reasoning on this point and sort of jumped quickly to his conclusion (he was running late at this point) by saying since the cellular machinery was so complex, it must have been intelligent design.

I was hoping for a much better talk from so well known a speaker, but basically it boiled down to the incredulity argument coupled with a God of the gaps conclusion. The event reminded me of why I no longer bother to read any of the ID literature, and generally consider anyone who takes ID seriously as either being naive about science or alternatively a bit stupid.]]>
C4ID activity watch http://www.cis.org.uk/forum/discussion/43/c4id-activity-watch Thu, 22 Mar 2012 12:09:42 +0000 Simon 43@/forum/discussions


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What is the root of creationists' objection to evolution? http://www.cis.org.uk/forum/discussion/41/what-is-the-root-of-creationists-objection-to-evolutions Fri, 16 Mar 2012 13:49:30 +0000 exchemist 41@/forum/discussions
Can any contributor explain why this would be, or correct me if I've misunderstood the the issue?
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Biblical Basis for an Old Earth http://www.cis.org.uk/forum/discussion/18/biblical-basis-for-an-old-earth Thu, 17 Nov 2011 17:18:40 +0000 tharrison 18@/forum/discussions Evolution's theology http://www.cis.org.uk/forum/discussion/19/evolutions-theology Thu, 17 Nov 2011 17:20:18 +0000 tharrison 19@/forum/discussions Uncommon descent blog http://www.cis.org.uk/forum/discussion/25/uncommon-descent-blog Fri, 25 Nov 2011 18:33:49 +0000 Simon 25@/forum/discussions
I wonder why this topic evokes such strong feelings?
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What Todd Wood would like to hear an evolutionary creationist say http://www.cis.org.uk/forum/discussion/23/what-todd-wood-would-like-to-hear-an-evolutionary-creationist-say Tue, 22 Nov 2011 11:56:31 +0000 AnthonySmith 23@/forum/discussions Colossian Forum is some new thing trying to promote discussion on issues of science, culture and Christian faith. They invited young-age creationist Todd Wood to write an article for them on What I Would Like to Hear an Evolutionary Creationist Say. So what would Todd Wood like to hear an evolutionary creationist say?

"I don't know."
Perhaps when people ask if Christian theology is compatible with evolution, the first answer should be, “I don’t know.”

He continues,
As a young age creationist, let me take this opportunity to follow my own advice and publicly express my ignorance. If creationism is true, why can we see starlight from stars millions of light years away? I don’t know. If creationism is true, what does radiometric dating mean? I don’t know. If creationism is true, why do humans and chimpanzees have nearly identical genomes? I don’t know. Just like evolutionary creationists wrestling with theological issues, though, young-age creationists have proposed all sorts of answers to the above questions. Some weren’t very good ideas, but others are quite intriguing. And just like evolutionary approaches to theology, there is no single creationist scientific model that most creationists would accept.

And in conclusion,
When it comes to the origins fight, maybe the key is to follow Christ’s example. Maybe the only way we’ll ever resolve the war is through surrender. Maybe in surrender, we’ll find out what real victory is. Maybe we’ll find that confessing ignorance is the first step towards finding God’s truth. Maybe we’ll discover that asking for wisdom is just what God wanted us to do all along. Most important of all, maybe we’ll find that we can humbly ask for wisdom together, and in doing so, the world really will see something different about us.
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4thought.tv: Should creationism be taught in schools? http://www.cis.org.uk/forum/discussion/22/4thought.tv-should-creationism-be-taught-in-schoolss Tue, 22 Nov 2011 11:15:07 +0000 AnthonySmith 22@/forum/discussions
http://www.4thought.tv/themes/should-creationism-be-taught-in-schools/michael-reiss

I've linked to the Michael Reiss clip, because I think it is very clear and reasonable. His view is that creationism should not be presented in school as though it had wide acceptance within mainstream scientific circles, but that discussion of the topic should be welcomed, in the interests of promoting respectful understanding of those who understand things differently. This would help the creationist students to learn about evolution in a non-threatening way, and as this would help the atheist students to understand what it is like to have a religious faith.]]>